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		<title>Comment on Underachieving Smart People &#8211; Understanding Their Struggles To Succeed by Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 14:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you post a comment/question about being a smart, underachiever without sounding ego-centric? I guess the anonymity of the Internet will allow me minimal worry and a decent nights rest. 
Let me quote your post above a few times...to try and explain where I&#039;m coming from.
&quot;So, just what is it in the mind of a very smart person that causes problems? More common, I’m afraid, are the very smart people who fail to connect with something solid and suffer, to a greater or lesser degree, because of it.&quot;
&quot;On the other hand, some (smart underachievers) are actually pretty clued-in (even acutely so sometimes), know a great deal about feelings (theirs as well as others’), and yet are still laid low, paralyzed, easily hurt, and can become isolated either by their own volition, the rejection of others, or a combination of both.&quot;

I think these two quotes explain me fairly well. Although, I wouldn&#039;t say paralyzed or isolated by the rejection of others. Isolated by my own volition...definitely. It seems so much less complicated to isolate myself. Much less stressful. I enjoy my own company. Doing what I want to do, when I want to do it. A lot of my underachieving or efforts to isolate myself seem to be an effort to gain that ever-elusive &quot;stress free&quot; life. I just don&#039;t believe that working for 40-50 years, trying to save as much as we can for retirement, retiring and then dying, is what we are here for.
The passage of time, of human existence on this planet, has warped civilization into something that, you&#039;re right, seems very difficult for me to connect solidly with. I&#039;ve tried so many things, religion or spirituality not among the least. I always manage to think/feel myself right out of a relationship with God, though. If you&#039;re familiar with the prodigal son, I&#039;m him about 20 times over. It really is pretty depressing if I stop to dwell on it for too long. The funny thing is that the Bible and several wise, spiritual people have tried to teach me not to think/feel my way when it comes to God, but to trust in his Word. You&#039;d think, being relatively intelligent, that I would&#039;ve learned by now. LOL. What a conundrum.
I&#039;m starting to feel a little silly and see that I&#039;m rambling, but talking it out does seem to help. Knowing that MAYBE someone will read this and understand or better yet, relate, is somewhat comforting.
I&#039;m a fairly serious underachiever. I do have a  good paying job, though. At least until I retire from the military in a couple of years and then...who knows? I&#039;m fairly certain of my abilities to say/do the right things during interviews in order to land a job, but I don&#039;t even have a bachelor&#039;s degree. There are many other people more qualified on paper, who don&#039;t have jobs right now. 
I wouldn&#039;t worry as much if I didn&#039;t have a family to support. I&#039;ve saved up a decent amount of money to afford unemployment for several years, but I would hate to put my family through that and also want to give them a comfortable lifestyle. The underacheiver in me is in constant battle with the responsibilities I&#039;ve managed to accrue. 
Here it is. I&#039;m not looking to be further educated, learn a new language, get in the best shape of my life, I&#039;m not trying to better myself in any way. 
I just want to be happy with life. Is that so much to ask? Unfortunately, longevity runs in my family and the way it&#039;s looking right now, it&#039;s going to be a LONG, miserable road.
I&#039;ve tried to sign up for college courses, only to drop them after the first class due to lack of interest or too much stress dealing with the added responsibilities. I&#039;ve tried to find hobbies, but again, lack of interest rears its ugly head. I can&#039;t seem to find anyone who thinks like me or that I have things in common with. I can socialize easily enough, though. People that know me, say I&#039;m like a politician...God forbid! It is all an act, though. All the while, I&#039;m thinking about a million different, deeper things under the surface. I&#039;ve turned to drinking to forget about things for a while. To escape reality. That doesn&#039;t help the following day. The whole alcohol/depressant thing isn&#039;t great for someone in my condition. I don&#039;t suggest it. Although, the escape is fun enough while it lasts. 
Am I a smart, underachiever or just lazy? I&#039;d rather be at home, in bed, shades drawn tight, watching TV or a good movie, not thinking about anything. What a pitiful, non-contributing existance for someone (I feel anyway) who is capable of so much more. What a waste of a life. I see problems so clearly and can can quickly find ways to address them, but my position at work and how people perceive me never allow it. A little social retardation there maybe. No, definitely. The work environment has always been a problem for me. Saying the wrong thing during office confrontations has always been my downfall...even to superiors. I just can&#039;t seem to immediately come up with that right thing to say to make them understand where I&#039;m coming from or what I&#039;m thinking/feeling. I think my strong feelings get in the way.
I have had moments of brightness, though. Being selected for a leadership award by my peers and finishing first in a leadership class of 75. Earning quarterly and annual awards. Multiple promotions...when I do finally get around to studying for them.
My father told my wife recently that he thinks I&#039;m bi-polar. I had to laugh at that one. Just another person who doesn&#039;t understand. Anyway, I don&#039;t know where this is going and I&#039;ve definitely gone past long-winded. If you can offer any insights or alternate perspectives, I&#039;d love to hear them. Thanks for listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you post a comment/question about being a smart, underachiever without sounding ego-centric? I guess the anonymity of the Internet will allow me minimal worry and a decent nights rest.<br />
Let me quote your post above a few times&#8230;to try and explain where I&#8217;m coming from.<br />
&#8220;So, just what is it in the mind of a very smart person that causes problems? More common, I’m afraid, are the very smart people who fail to connect with something solid and suffer, to a greater or lesser degree, because of it.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;On the other hand, some (smart underachievers) are actually pretty clued-in (even acutely so sometimes), know a great deal about feelings (theirs as well as others’), and yet are still laid low, paralyzed, easily hurt, and can become isolated either by their own volition, the rejection of others, or a combination of both.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think these two quotes explain me fairly well. Although, I wouldn&#8217;t say paralyzed or isolated by the rejection of others. Isolated by my own volition&#8230;definitely. It seems so much less complicated to isolate myself. Much less stressful. I enjoy my own company. Doing what I want to do, when I want to do it. A lot of my underachieving or efforts to isolate myself seem to be an effort to gain that ever-elusive &#8220;stress free&#8221; life. I just don&#8217;t believe that working for 40-50 years, trying to save as much as we can for retirement, retiring and then dying, is what we are here for.<br />
The passage of time, of human existence on this planet, has warped civilization into something that, you&#8217;re right, seems very difficult for me to connect solidly with. I&#8217;ve tried so many things, religion or spirituality not among the least. I always manage to think/feel myself right out of a relationship with God, though. If you&#8217;re familiar with the prodigal son, I&#8217;m him about 20 times over. It really is pretty depressing if I stop to dwell on it for too long. The funny thing is that the Bible and several wise, spiritual people have tried to teach me not to think/feel my way when it comes to God, but to trust in his Word. You&#8217;d think, being relatively intelligent, that I would&#8217;ve learned by now. LOL. What a conundrum.<br />
I&#8217;m starting to feel a little silly and see that I&#8217;m rambling, but talking it out does seem to help. Knowing that MAYBE someone will read this and understand or better yet, relate, is somewhat comforting.<br />
I&#8217;m a fairly serious underachiever. I do have a  good paying job, though. At least until I retire from the military in a couple of years and then&#8230;who knows? I&#8217;m fairly certain of my abilities to say/do the right things during interviews in order to land a job, but I don&#8217;t even have a bachelor&#8217;s degree. There are many other people more qualified on paper, who don&#8217;t have jobs right now.<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t worry as much if I didn&#8217;t have a family to support. I&#8217;ve saved up a decent amount of money to afford unemployment for several years, but I would hate to put my family through that and also want to give them a comfortable lifestyle. The underacheiver in me is in constant battle with the responsibilities I&#8217;ve managed to accrue.<br />
Here it is. I&#8217;m not looking to be further educated, learn a new language, get in the best shape of my life, I&#8217;m not trying to better myself in any way.<br />
I just want to be happy with life. Is that so much to ask? Unfortunately, longevity runs in my family and the way it&#8217;s looking right now, it&#8217;s going to be a LONG, miserable road.<br />
I&#8217;ve tried to sign up for college courses, only to drop them after the first class due to lack of interest or too much stress dealing with the added responsibilities. I&#8217;ve tried to find hobbies, but again, lack of interest rears its ugly head. I can&#8217;t seem to find anyone who thinks like me or that I have things in common with. I can socialize easily enough, though. People that know me, say I&#8217;m like a politician&#8230;God forbid! It is all an act, though. All the while, I&#8217;m thinking about a million different, deeper things under the surface. I&#8217;ve turned to drinking to forget about things for a while. To escape reality. That doesn&#8217;t help the following day. The whole alcohol/depressant thing isn&#8217;t great for someone in my condition. I don&#8217;t suggest it. Although, the escape is fun enough while it lasts.<br />
Am I a smart, underachiever or just lazy? I&#8217;d rather be at home, in bed, shades drawn tight, watching TV or a good movie, not thinking about anything. What a pitiful, non-contributing existance for someone (I feel anyway) who is capable of so much more. What a waste of a life. I see problems so clearly and can can quickly find ways to address them, but my position at work and how people perceive me never allow it. A little social retardation there maybe. No, definitely. The work environment has always been a problem for me. Saying the wrong thing during office confrontations has always been my downfall&#8230;even to superiors. I just can&#8217;t seem to immediately come up with that right thing to say to make them understand where I&#8217;m coming from or what I&#8217;m thinking/feeling. I think my strong feelings get in the way.<br />
I have had moments of brightness, though. Being selected for a leadership award by my peers and finishing first in a leadership class of 75. Earning quarterly and annual awards. Multiple promotions&#8230;when I do finally get around to studying for them.<br />
My father told my wife recently that he thinks I&#8217;m bi-polar. I had to laugh at that one. Just another person who doesn&#8217;t understand. Anyway, I don&#8217;t know where this is going and I&#8217;ve definitely gone past long-winded. If you can offer any insights or alternate perspectives, I&#8217;d love to hear them. Thanks for listening.</p>
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		<title>Comment on From EAP to Coaching by Kristine Socall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine Socall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shaun,

Thanks for this article!  I would love to chat further - our nonprofit is in the beginning stages of forming an EAP - and we really would like to integrate coaching into our model.  We&#039;re desiring to offer not just an EAP referral service, but ongoing on-site employee and leadership development processes in conjunction with off-site retreats and training experiences.

Kristine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shaun,</p>
<p>Thanks for this article!  I would love to chat further &#8211; our nonprofit is in the beginning stages of forming an EAP &#8211; and we really would like to integrate coaching into our model.  We&#8217;re desiring to offer not just an EAP referral service, but ongoing on-site employee and leadership development processes in conjunction with off-site retreats and training experiences.</p>
<p>Kristine</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coaching &#8220;very smart&#8221; people by Anger and Anguish &#124; The Human Workplace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anger and Anguish &#124; The Human Workplace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 20:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Highly Intelligent &#8211; Hard to Connect by Anger and Anguish &#124; The Human Workplace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anger and Anguish &#124; The Human Workplace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 19:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Ask Shaun: Should I Fight the Layoff? by Shaun</title>
		<link>http://springpointservices.com/blog/ask-shaun-should-i-fight-the-layoff/comment-page-1/#comment-910</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beth-

You’re absolutely right, and I realize now that my editing for brevity meant that I oversimplified and didn’t quite accurately convey the true choices.  At work, “fight” doesn’t mean get unpleasant, let alone nasty – it means making one’s case to the decision makers on your own behalf.  Your example of  “middle ground” is precisely what I meant by “fighting:” advocate for yourself by connecting your skills and abilities to what the organization needs, demonstrating your net positive impact on the organization’s bottom line, and offering to be flexible.  

Plus, I agree that you can’t truly be sure of what will happen if you don’t try.
 
My focus with this blog is real human beings in real, human workplaces, and my small point is that most people really do know the likelihood of success before they begin, if they’re honest.  They know their workplace -and they know themselves.  Some workplace cultures are open to self-advocacy, even encourage it –  so that’s when making your case for yourself is definitely worth the shot.

Other workplaces – which may be perfectly fine places to work – simply aren’t open and available to personal advocacy.  Decisions are made far away, then announced.  Frank didn’t know a single person by name he could possibly network his way to, and he cringed at the thought of doing it.

By the way, it’s actually been over a year now (Frank was happy to allow me to use his situation for the current &quot;Ask Shaun&quot; format) so I’m also up-to-speed with the situation in real time.
 
Frank’s modest little Credit Union is lucky to still exist at all, and virtually all of its administrative services were simply merged into the existing infrastructure of the regional “group” 300 miles away.  Frank was right that it was a done deal, and he refers to the skeleton crew that remained in the building as “shellshocked” survivors.

Frank knew he couldn’t handle the prospect of sudden unemployment in today’s economy.  He took that position at the other end of the state – but his family didn’t go with him.  He rented a one bedroom apartment for nine months and flew or drove home every chance he got. 

Obviously, he didn’t love it - and neither did his family.  So when an opportunity back home came open at, ironically, a local branch of a large national bank (you’ve probably heard of,) he jumped on it – demonstrating yet again that it’s easier to get another job while employed full-time rather than from total unemployment.

Describing Frank as “happy” would be a stretch, since the gargantuan size of his new employer is the opposite of what Frank wants, but now he’s also going to school for a Master’s degree that will open up teaching as a possibility.  Frank is clear to himself where he needs to be.

Thanks for commenting, Beth.

Shaun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beth-</p>
<p>You’re absolutely right, and I realize now that my editing for brevity meant that I oversimplified and didn’t quite accurately convey the true choices.  At work, “fight” doesn’t mean get unpleasant, let alone nasty – it means making one’s case to the decision makers on your own behalf.  Your example of  “middle ground” is precisely what I meant by “fighting:” advocate for yourself by connecting your skills and abilities to what the organization needs, demonstrating your net positive impact on the organization’s bottom line, and offering to be flexible.  </p>
<p>Plus, I agree that you can’t truly be sure of what will happen if you don’t try.</p>
<p>My focus with this blog is real human beings in real, human workplaces, and my small point is that most people really do know the likelihood of success before they begin, if they’re honest.  They know their workplace -and they know themselves.  Some workplace cultures are open to self-advocacy, even encourage it –  so that’s when making your case for yourself is definitely worth the shot.</p>
<p>Other workplaces – which may be perfectly fine places to work – simply aren’t open and available to personal advocacy.  Decisions are made far away, then announced.  Frank didn’t know a single person by name he could possibly network his way to, and he cringed at the thought of doing it.</p>
<p>By the way, it’s actually been over a year now (Frank was happy to allow me to use his situation for the current &#8220;Ask Shaun&#8221; format) so I’m also up-to-speed with the situation in real time.</p>
<p>Frank’s modest little Credit Union is lucky to still exist at all, and virtually all of its administrative services were simply merged into the existing infrastructure of the regional “group” 300 miles away.  Frank was right that it was a done deal, and he refers to the skeleton crew that remained in the building as “shellshocked” survivors.</p>
<p>Frank knew he couldn’t handle the prospect of sudden unemployment in today’s economy.  He took that position at the other end of the state – but his family didn’t go with him.  He rented a one bedroom apartment for nine months and flew or drove home every chance he got. </p>
<p>Obviously, he didn’t love it &#8211; and neither did his family.  So when an opportunity back home came open at, ironically, a local branch of a large national bank (you’ve probably heard of,) he jumped on it – demonstrating yet again that it’s easier to get another job while employed full-time rather than from total unemployment.</p>
<p>Describing Frank as “happy” would be a stretch, since the gargantuan size of his new employer is the opposite of what Frank wants, but now he’s also going to school for a Master’s degree that will open up teaching as a possibility.  Frank is clear to himself where he needs to be.</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting, Beth.</p>
<p>Shaun</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ask Shaun: Should I Fight the Layoff? by Beth Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what your definition of &quot;fight&quot; is, but have you considered a middle ground? Go up the management chain, mention the rumor, state in no uncertain terms that you want to continue working for Big Company and your preference is to keep the ties you have in this location. Let them know you&#039;re willing to move to another position. Maybe suggest some that you are fit for. Maybe even have a resume already prepared oriented towards those positions that you can give them. 

It might be that nothing you can say will make a difference, but people don&#039;t always know these things if you don&#039;t tell them, especially if they&#039;re new to the company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what your definition of &#8220;fight&#8221; is, but have you considered a middle ground? Go up the management chain, mention the rumor, state in no uncertain terms that you want to continue working for Big Company and your preference is to keep the ties you have in this location. Let them know you&#8217;re willing to move to another position. Maybe suggest some that you are fit for. Maybe even have a resume already prepared oriented towards those positions that you can give them. </p>
<p>It might be that nothing you can say will make a difference, but people don&#8217;t always know these things if you don&#8217;t tell them, especially if they&#8217;re new to the company.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Courage to Supervise by Defend People in Public, Reprimand in Private &#124; Marcus Bertrand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Defend People in Public, Reprimand in Private &#124; Marcus Bertrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of telling them what to do. Very often, people can identify their own mistakes; they do not need parents or managers to ram it down their throats. In addition, nobody wants to be humiliated and disgraced in front of [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Coaching &#8220;very smart&#8221; people by Highly Intelligent &#8211; Hard to Connect &#124; The Human Workplace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highly Intelligent &#8211; Hard to Connect &#124; The Human Workplace</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Coaching &#8220;very smart&#8221; people by Helping &#8220;Highly Intelligent&#8221; Underachievers &#124; Conversations with Adults</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helping &#8220;Highly Intelligent&#8221; Underachievers &#124; Conversations with Adults</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Coaching &#8220;very smart&#8221; people by Alpha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Kieran,
     My perception is that you basically have a nature that responds to others, out of a sincere heart.  In my world, I perceive you to be a person who understands the spiritual rigors and love that Jesus Christ demonstrates for humanity.  Whether or not you are a professing Christian is your private matter, for these communications, but  sincerity of concern, such as yours, is known to evolve from one&#039;s own experience with pain.  I apologize for showing a lack of respect for your efforts for my family.  I do have to monitor myself in terms of computer time--my nature leads me to easily get absorbed with the internet, for sessions that can be too lengthy.

      Our alcohol- and drug-free home is one of &quot;chronic stress&quot; due to  my husband&#039;s &quot;eccentricities&quot; and due to my &quot;afflictions.&quot;  My Anglo husband, &quot;S,&quot; is in his mid-fifties, is scientific in character and is perplexed by human nature, is in cardiology, was raised by Depression-Era impacted parents (father was military and dominant, and mother was an enabler), saw our retirement savings decrease by 50%, has painful foot problems, little free time, loves our children, and loves me if I fulfill his expectations.  Life is measured by the dollar sign, and rational evidence determines decisions, for the most part.  My Mexican parents have minor faults, but they have always shown their love for each other, and I was raised to enjoy social graces and jokes.  During college, and my professional years as an educator,  I was cheerful and responsible.  I was very sure of myself,  and happy with people.  I made a priority of discouraging bad language and disrespect from our children, even if &quot;S&quot; was not always in step with me. My ADD seems to get worse with age, despite four medications and treatment for depression, and I am increasingly undependable with appointments and am reluctant about social obligations.  For years, I have kept boxes of  mementos, toys and papers that had anything to do with my children.  The relics impose on our space and freedom, but I am gradually sifting and releasing, to earn more family and inner peace.  My spirituality and the good parts of my life are priceless.  

     I have deliberately constructed the descriptions above, with the worst of the worst.   However, I always know where &quot;S&quot; is (our community is just the right size).  &quot;S&quot; goes to work very early, calls about groceries early in the evening, spends an hour and a half at the gym every other day, and brings the food home.  He never denies us what is needed or reasonable.  He strives for our children&#039;s affection.  His good qualities and his responsive soul make him a worthy family man.   Late in adulthood, I was taught that the one thing that every human most wants, is not love, but to be loved.  That plain, simple truth directs me to relate with my spouse with better insight and with more kindness.
    
      Along with the mistakes that my husband and I have made, what I see that has affected my son greatly has been the fact that he has largely grown alone, without his three older siblings.  He was twelve years old, when finally, brother, sister and brother were gone for college.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     My erratic viewing of my mail is, at the most, three times a month.   When I saw your e-mails this evening, I went back to your website/blog, and this is what I got from you:

     1.  hope for my son&#039;s future happiness, from the right things that we have done in the past
        (thank you for pointing out that his future can also be promising);

     2.  be brave and stand firm with good parenting skills
        (keep learning to do the right things with our son, and do not waver);

     3.  I can require civility, and be lax about the haircut
       (when he spoke hatefully to me, I told him that I would not burden him more than necessary,
        with my undesirable presence--that he could ride the bus to school and back, instead of
        getting a convenient ride with me--which meant him having to wake up much earlier;
        a contract allowed him the right to choose his rides,
        if he said &quot;Good morning&quot; to me, cheerfully and sincerely, and was kind to me the whole
        time before school started, and a similar contract for the afternoon rides--WOW!
         --plus, he likes to shower, shampoo and shave-and that is good enough for me);

     4.  My husband and I need to renew our efforts to behave well
       (this requires making time for honest soul-searching -about ourselves- together) ;

     5.  BINGO!  My son&#039;s abilities are not the problem--focus on the serious inabilities;

     6.  &quot;think out loud&quot; technique
        (YESSSSS!  I needed a description like yours, to help teach my husband!);

     7.  Even if we flinch at first, my husband and I need to use the &quot;bad&quot; moments well;
       (minor and major confrontations can be skillfully used for progress--)

     8.  Our son needs to learn to adapt in a healthy fashion
       (He has to remember that in reality, he values good social behavior from himself).


...............................................................................................................................................................................................................
In the meantime:

--Our son has been taking medication (75 mg. sertraline, since start of December) greatly relieving depression,
  and helps him hear our &quot; training ;&quot; three days without meds takes him back to being scary.

--He takes melatonin to help him sleep, but it does not seem to really help, so far.

--He is taking additional vitamin D.

--Shrewd contracts and calmness can really help.

--He is doing much more homework.  He seems to need a lot of &quot;breaks&quot; and the homework
  many times does not show much thought, BUT remembering and completing the assignments
  are of some value for him, now.  My husband tries to insist on quality and monitor the work,
  but behind our son&#039;s back, I show my husband the &quot;cut&quot; gesture across my neck!

--I am trying, little by little, to increase opportunities with peers.

--I heard recently that feelings come from ideas, or thoughts.  Maybe that is why your approach makes sense--
to think out loud is a thought process --&gt;which reaches a conclusion (a &quot;belief&quot;) --&gt;which sparks a reaction (an &quot;emotion&quot;).
The intelligent person does not know or understand certain social skills --&gt;so the person thinks ill of himself or of others --&gt;and consequently frustration, embarrassment, shame or anger is felt.

------------------------------------------------------------- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
MR. KIERAN,
SOMEHOW,  YOU TURNED ON THE LIGHT BULB FOR ME.

NOW I KNOW WHAT THE COUNSELOR HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR MY SON. 

THE TECHNIQUE IS TO ADDRESS THE INABILITIES,
WITHOUT LETTING THE ABILITIES SUFFER.

CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE
THE SMART KID&#039;S IDENTITY IS FROM HIS INTELLIGENCE--
OF COURSE HE WOULD NOT WANT TO BE KNOWN BY WEAKNESSES,
CONSEQUENTLY  INTELLIGENCE COMPENSATES?
SO, THE INABILITIES GET OVERSHADOWED AND NEGLECTED
BY A PERFORMANCE OF THE INTELLIGENCE.

YOUR POINT ABOUT THE ABILITIES VERSUS THE INABILITIES--
 KEEP MAKING THIS CLEAR  AT THE VERY BEGINNING,
IF YOU WRITE MORE ABOUT THIS TOPIC IN THE FUTURE.



********************************************************************************************

&quot;THANK YOU&quot;

WITH BINOCULARS,
ONE HAS TO ADJUST
A LITTLE WHEEL,
TO GAIN FOCUS.

YOU SHOWED ME
THE BEST WAY
TO TURN THE WHEEL,
AND NOW OUR SON,
MY HUSBAND
AND I
WILL BE ABLE TO SEE
SO MUCH FARTHER.

 
 

Until next time,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Kieran,<br />
     My perception is that you basically have a nature that responds to others, out of a sincere heart.  In my world, I perceive you to be a person who understands the spiritual rigors and love that Jesus Christ demonstrates for humanity.  Whether or not you are a professing Christian is your private matter, for these communications, but  sincerity of concern, such as yours, is known to evolve from one&#8217;s own experience with pain.  I apologize for showing a lack of respect for your efforts for my family.  I do have to monitor myself in terms of computer time&#8211;my nature leads me to easily get absorbed with the internet, for sessions that can be too lengthy.</p>
<p>      Our alcohol- and drug-free home is one of &#8220;chronic stress&#8221; due to  my husband&#8217;s &#8220;eccentricities&#8221; and due to my &#8220;afflictions.&#8221;  My Anglo husband, &#8220;S,&#8221; is in his mid-fifties, is scientific in character and is perplexed by human nature, is in cardiology, was raised by Depression-Era impacted parents (father was military and dominant, and mother was an enabler), saw our retirement savings decrease by 50%, has painful foot problems, little free time, loves our children, and loves me if I fulfill his expectations.  Life is measured by the dollar sign, and rational evidence determines decisions, for the most part.  My Mexican parents have minor faults, but they have always shown their love for each other, and I was raised to enjoy social graces and jokes.  During college, and my professional years as an educator,  I was cheerful and responsible.  I was very sure of myself,  and happy with people.  I made a priority of discouraging bad language and disrespect from our children, even if &#8220;S&#8221; was not always in step with me. My ADD seems to get worse with age, despite four medications and treatment for depression, and I am increasingly undependable with appointments and am reluctant about social obligations.  For years, I have kept boxes of  mementos, toys and papers that had anything to do with my children.  The relics impose on our space and freedom, but I am gradually sifting and releasing, to earn more family and inner peace.  My spirituality and the good parts of my life are priceless.  </p>
<p>     I have deliberately constructed the descriptions above, with the worst of the worst.   However, I always know where &#8220;S&#8221; is (our community is just the right size).  &#8220;S&#8221; goes to work very early, calls about groceries early in the evening, spends an hour and a half at the gym every other day, and brings the food home.  He never denies us what is needed or reasonable.  He strives for our children&#8217;s affection.  His good qualities and his responsive soul make him a worthy family man.   Late in adulthood, I was taught that the one thing that every human most wants, is not love, but to be loved.  That plain, simple truth directs me to relate with my spouse with better insight and with more kindness.</p>
<p>      Along with the mistakes that my husband and I have made, what I see that has affected my son greatly has been the fact that he has largely grown alone, without his three older siblings.  He was twelve years old, when finally, brother, sister and brother were gone for college.</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^</p>
<p>     My erratic viewing of my mail is, at the most, three times a month.   When I saw your e-mails this evening, I went back to your website/blog, and this is what I got from you:</p>
<p>     1.  hope for my son&#8217;s future happiness, from the right things that we have done in the past<br />
        (thank you for pointing out that his future can also be promising);</p>
<p>     2.  be brave and stand firm with good parenting skills<br />
        (keep learning to do the right things with our son, and do not waver);</p>
<p>     3.  I can require civility, and be lax about the haircut<br />
       (when he spoke hatefully to me, I told him that I would not burden him more than necessary,<br />
        with my undesirable presence&#8211;that he could ride the bus to school and back, instead of<br />
        getting a convenient ride with me&#8211;which meant him having to wake up much earlier;<br />
        a contract allowed him the right to choose his rides,<br />
        if he said &#8220;Good morning&#8221; to me, cheerfully and sincerely, and was kind to me the whole<br />
        time before school started, and a similar contract for the afternoon rides&#8211;WOW!<br />
         &#8211;plus, he likes to shower, shampoo and shave-and that is good enough for me);</p>
<p>     4.  My husband and I need to renew our efforts to behave well<br />
       (this requires making time for honest soul-searching -about ourselves- together) ;</p>
<p>     5.  BINGO!  My son&#8217;s abilities are not the problem&#8211;focus on the serious inabilities;</p>
<p>     6.  &#8220;think out loud&#8221; technique<br />
        (YESSSSS!  I needed a description like yours, to help teach my husband!);</p>
<p>     7.  Even if we flinch at first, my husband and I need to use the &#8220;bad&#8221; moments well;<br />
       (minor and major confrontations can be skillfully used for progress&#8211;)</p>
<p>     8.  Our son needs to learn to adapt in a healthy fashion<br />
       (He has to remember that in reality, he values good social behavior from himself).</p>
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In the meantime:</p>
<p>&#8211;Our son has been taking medication (75 mg. sertraline, since start of December) greatly relieving depression,<br />
  and helps him hear our &#8221; training ;&#8221; three days without meds takes him back to being scary.</p>
<p>&#8211;He takes melatonin to help him sleep, but it does not seem to really help, so far.</p>
<p>&#8211;He is taking additional vitamin D.</p>
<p>&#8211;Shrewd contracts and calmness can really help.</p>
<p>&#8211;He is doing much more homework.  He seems to need a lot of &#8220;breaks&#8221; and the homework<br />
  many times does not show much thought, BUT remembering and completing the assignments<br />
  are of some value for him, now.  My husband tries to insist on quality and monitor the work,<br />
  but behind our son&#8217;s back, I show my husband the &#8220;cut&#8221; gesture across my neck!</p>
<p>&#8211;I am trying, little by little, to increase opportunities with peers.</p>
<p>&#8211;I heard recently that feelings come from ideas, or thoughts.  Maybe that is why your approach makes sense&#8211;<br />
to think out loud is a thought process &#8211;&gt;which reaches a conclusion (a &#8220;belief&#8221;) &#8211;&gt;which sparks a reaction (an &#8220;emotion&#8221;).<br />
The intelligent person does not know or understand certain social skills &#8211;&gt;so the person thinks ill of himself or of others &#8211;&gt;and consequently frustration, embarrassment, shame or anger is felt.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;- &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; -<br />
MR. KIERAN,<br />
SOMEHOW,  YOU TURNED ON THE LIGHT BULB FOR ME.</p>
<p>NOW I KNOW WHAT THE COUNSELOR HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR MY SON. </p>
<p>THE TECHNIQUE IS TO ADDRESS THE INABILITIES,<br />
WITHOUT LETTING THE ABILITIES SUFFER.</p>
<p>CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.</p>
<p>THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE<br />
THE SMART KID&#8217;S IDENTITY IS FROM HIS INTELLIGENCE&#8211;<br />
OF COURSE HE WOULD NOT WANT TO BE KNOWN BY WEAKNESSES,<br />
CONSEQUENTLY  INTELLIGENCE COMPENSATES?<br />
SO, THE INABILITIES GET OVERSHADOWED AND NEGLECTED<br />
BY A PERFORMANCE OF THE INTELLIGENCE.</p>
<p>YOUR POINT ABOUT THE ABILITIES VERSUS THE INABILITIES&#8211;<br />
 KEEP MAKING THIS CLEAR  AT THE VERY BEGINNING,<br />
IF YOU WRITE MORE ABOUT THIS TOPIC IN THE FUTURE.</p>
<p>********************************************************************************************</p>
<p>&#8220;THANK YOU&#8221;</p>
<p>WITH BINOCULARS,<br />
ONE HAS TO ADJUST<br />
A LITTLE WHEEL,<br />
TO GAIN FOCUS.</p>
<p>YOU SHOWED ME<br />
THE BEST WAY<br />
TO TURN THE WHEEL,<br />
AND NOW OUR SON,<br />
MY HUSBAND<br />
AND I<br />
WILL BE ABLE TO SEE<br />
SO MUCH FARTHER.</p>
<p>Until next time,</p>
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